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		<title>By: Dave Abbey</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5149</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 00:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think facebook groups can have an effect even if only in support of public protests.

My first experience was about a year ago when a new radio station in Ottawa bought some bus and other advertisements containing sexist put down images of women.  I joined a FB group working to get the signs taken down.  I also phoned a station advertiser saying I wouldn&#039;t shop in their location as long as they advertised on that station.

After a few weeks the radio station pulled the ads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think facebook groups can have an effect even if only in support of public protests.</p>
<p>My first experience was about a year ago when a new radio station in Ottawa bought some bus and other advertisements containing sexist put down images of women.  I joined a FB group working to get the signs taken down.  I also phoned a station advertiser saying I wouldn&#8217;t shop in their location as long as they advertised on that station.</p>
<p>After a few weeks the radio station pulled the ads.</p>
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		<title>By: RM</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5111</link>
		<dc:creator>RM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 21:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a non-voter who joined that Facebook group. To me, it felt like signing a petition, allowing me to voice my opinion on that particular issue. Frankly, if there was an election today would I actually get out and vote?....likely not. And that&#039;s because the leadership choices stink (in my humble opinion). 

BUT they are our elected officials and they should be working on our behalf. In Parliament now. That Harper shut down the process infuriates me...and that&#039;s why this non-voter joined that Facebook group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a non-voter who joined that Facebook group. To me, it felt like signing a petition, allowing me to voice my opinion on that particular issue. Frankly, if there was an election today would I actually get out and vote?&#8230;.likely not. And that&#8217;s because the leadership choices stink (in my humble opinion). </p>
<p>BUT they are our elected officials and they should be working on our behalf. In Parliament now. That Harper shut down the process infuriates me&#8230;and that&#8217;s why this non-voter joined that Facebook group.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Hirsh</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Hirsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 18:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David D proves my point quite effectively. Just because I chose to offer an alternate analysis I have been accused of insulting and shaming people I don&#039;t even know. Further there&#039;s also the false assumption that I am somehow against the Facebook group, in spite of the fact that I too have joined it, well before authoring my blog post. Clearly I desire to see our society stand up to Harper, and the purpose of writing my post was to offer suggestions on how this may be achieved. Those who misinterpret it as being an attack against those who promote the group should not have bothered paying attention to my post in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David D proves my point quite effectively. Just because I chose to offer an alternate analysis I have been accused of insulting and shaming people I don&#8217;t even know. Further there&#8217;s also the false assumption that I am somehow against the Facebook group, in spite of the fact that I too have joined it, well before authoring my blog post. Clearly I desire to see our society stand up to Harper, and the purpose of writing my post was to offer suggestions on how this may be achieved. Those who misinterpret it as being an attack against those who promote the group should not have bothered paying attention to my post in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: The Star, Facebook, and Prorogation&#160;&#124;&#160;Joseph Lavoie</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5101</link>
		<dc:creator>The Star, Facebook, and Prorogation&#160;&#124;&#160;Joseph Lavoie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 13:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ian Capstick has more on his blog.   Advocacy Facebook Facebook groups Lanny Cardow Prorogation Toronto Star [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MP</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5090</link>
		<dc:creator>MP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 04:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m just not sure what to make of it.  What I do know is that a whole whack of my friends who are not political in any way, shape or form that I was aware of, have joined the group.  So if this one Harper action got them angry enough to join the group, who knows what their next actions might be.  They might be silent actions, like voting against Conservatives in the next election.  Just because they may not take it to the next level (join a rally, write or phone their MP) doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re not angry about it.  And maybe they are talking about it, over dinner with friends, on coffee breaks at work.  Maybe it&#039;s the start of something.  Maybe not.  Only time will tell.  What the facebook page has done though is kept the story in the news - something I don&#039;t think Conservatives thought would happen...now Opposition parties - over to you - how do you capitalize on it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m just not sure what to make of it.  What I do know is that a whole whack of my friends who are not political in any way, shape or form that I was aware of, have joined the group.  So if this one Harper action got them angry enough to join the group, who knows what their next actions might be.  They might be silent actions, like voting against Conservatives in the next election.  Just because they may not take it to the next level (join a rally, write or phone their MP) doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re not angry about it.  And maybe they are talking about it, over dinner with friends, on coffee breaks at work.  Maybe it&#8217;s the start of something.  Maybe not.  Only time will tell.  What the facebook page has done though is kept the story in the news &#8211; something I don&#8217;t think Conservatives thought would happen&#8230;now Opposition parties &#8211; over to you &#8211; how do you capitalize on it?</p>
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		<title>By: David D.</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5085</link>
		<dc:creator>David D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I felt that Jesse Hirsh&#039;s blog post was roundly insulting to many people who joined the Facebook group *in spite* of feeling a general apathy/paralysis about politics. 

A number of these people (including people I invited, and who I was surprised to see join) were fed up with Harper&#039;s tactics but didn&#039;t know what first step to take to express their anger. Facebook was that first step. Joining the group meant joining thousands of other people who felt just as angry, and it led to finding out about other ways to express their anger about the situation--including writing letters to MPs, planning demonstrations, sharing information about the repercussions of the prorogue on legislation in progress and investigations underway. 

Pleas for innovative web comedy aside (??), Hirsh&#039;s shaming came off as being remarkably similar to those at the Star, NOW magazine (surrealistically) and the National Post: &quot;Facebook is for losers.&quot; I guess if you can&#039;t drop everything and mount a multi-platform campaign against Harper complete with community toolkits and Navigator spokesperson talking points, better to crawl back under your rock and not do anything at all.

Thankfully, it appears that more people are continuing to join the group, are exchanging information and ideas with each other, and are looking for next steps to follow that first step. What those people really need is *encouragement*, and specific suggestions about how to turn their discontent into constructive long-term action, and how to remain engaged in the political process beyond January 25...particularly if we&#039;re heading towards a spring, or fall, election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I felt that Jesse Hirsh&#8217;s blog post was roundly insulting to many people who joined the Facebook group *in spite* of feeling a general apathy/paralysis about politics. </p>
<p>A number of these people (including people I invited, and who I was surprised to see join) were fed up with Harper&#8217;s tactics but didn&#8217;t know what first step to take to express their anger. Facebook was that first step. Joining the group meant joining thousands of other people who felt just as angry, and it led to finding out about other ways to express their anger about the situation&#8211;including writing letters to MPs, planning demonstrations, sharing information about the repercussions of the prorogue on legislation in progress and investigations underway. </p>
<p>Pleas for innovative web comedy aside (??), Hirsh&#8217;s shaming came off as being remarkably similar to those at the Star, NOW magazine (surrealistically) and the National Post: &#8220;Facebook is for losers.&#8221; I guess if you can&#8217;t drop everything and mount a multi-platform campaign against Harper complete with community toolkits and Navigator spokesperson talking points, better to crawl back under your rock and not do anything at all.</p>
<p>Thankfully, it appears that more people are continuing to join the group, are exchanging information and ideas with each other, and are looking for next steps to follow that first step. What those people really need is *encouragement*, and specific suggestions about how to turn their discontent into constructive long-term action, and how to remain engaged in the political process beyond January 25&#8230;particularly if we&#8217;re heading towards a spring, or fall, election.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Alkerton</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5083</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Alkerton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If your sister asking you to join a group opposing prorogation leads a non-voter to vote, or the disengaged to re-engage – isn’t that worth something?&quot;

Yes, but that&#039;s a pretty unlikely outcome. I&#039;m not sure what the trigger is that makes people become politically active, but I think it&#039;s far more likely to come from a face-to-face interaction with a prof in the classroom or at a party when you really want to impress that smart cutie you&#039;ve had your eye on... Facebook is an easy way to make a statement, but because it&#039;s so easy it has little meaning. Someone with thousands of friends and hundreds of groups... this is likely just another one on that pile, and isn&#039;t about to get them writing their MP.

70,000 people (as of this writing) is pretty insignificant spread across the country, even if you factor in that Facebook&#039;s audience is going to be more concentrated in some ridings than others. It doesn&#039;t help when under-30 voter turnout in Canada is well below 50%, and under-25 turnout is well below 40%. If we&#039;re going to measure the political impact of things like this, I have to side with Coyne in saying that this has none. Prorogation, like Afghan detainees and climate change, are topics that most Canadians care about, but not so much that it&#039;ll swing votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If your sister asking you to join a group opposing prorogation leads a non-voter to vote, or the disengaged to re-engage – isn’t that worth something?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, but that&#8217;s a pretty unlikely outcome. I&#8217;m not sure what the trigger is that makes people become politically active, but I think it&#8217;s far more likely to come from a face-to-face interaction with a prof in the classroom or at a party when you really want to impress that smart cutie you&#8217;ve had your eye on&#8230; Facebook is an easy way to make a statement, but because it&#8217;s so easy it has little meaning. Someone with thousands of friends and hundreds of groups&#8230; this is likely just another one on that pile, and isn&#8217;t about to get them writing their MP.</p>
<p>70,000 people (as of this writing) is pretty insignificant spread across the country, even if you factor in that Facebook&#8217;s audience is going to be more concentrated in some ridings than others. It doesn&#8217;t help when under-30 voter turnout in Canada is well below 50%, and under-25 turnout is well below 40%. If we&#8217;re going to measure the political impact of things like this, I have to side with Coyne in saying that this has none. Prorogation, like Afghan detainees and climate change, are topics that most Canadians care about, but not so much that it&#8217;ll swing votes.</p>
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		<title>By: roy harvey</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5082</link>
		<dc:creator>roy harvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Prorogation is a laegal practice and has been used in the past, for example to bide time for a leadership change in a governing party.  As in most political policies or manouvres, the true test lies in the intent. Currently we have a PM who uses it to avoid the legitimate and vital rule of parliamentary scrutiny and opposition analysis/criticism. He/she who consider this a harnless political move, would deny the voices of all those MP&#039;s who who were voted into office to represent ALL the people. Harper and his band of stategists must be stopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prorogation is a laegal practice and has been used in the past, for example to bide time for a leadership change in a governing party.  As in most political policies or manouvres, the true test lies in the intent. Currently we have a PM who uses it to avoid the legitimate and vital rule of parliamentary scrutiny and opposition analysis/criticism. He/she who consider this a harnless political move, would deny the voices of all those MP&#8217;s who who were voted into office to represent ALL the people. Harper and his band of stategists must be stopped.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
		<link>http://mediastyle.ca/2010/01/digital-roundup-facebook-democracy/#comment-5079</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The friend who invited me to join that Facebook group didn&#039;t vote in the last election because in his riding &quot;the Conservative always wins by a landslide.&quot;  I&#039;d be surprised if he votes in the next one.

I think people feel powerless to affect actual change.  But for extremely little effort, and at little personal cost, you can feel like you&#039;re part of something, like you&#039;ve been heard.  And maybe that gives people a feeling of having some power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The friend who invited me to join that Facebook group didn&#8217;t vote in the last election because in his riding &#8220;the Conservative always wins by a landslide.&#8221;  I&#8217;d be surprised if he votes in the next one.</p>
<p>I think people feel powerless to affect actual change.  But for extremely little effort, and at little personal cost, you can feel like you&#8217;re part of something, like you&#8217;ve been heard.  And maybe that gives people a feeling of having some power.</p>
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